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Posted By Prophecy in Brainstorming/sharing, Deadly sins, Ethics and MoralsDo you subscribe to the notion of “what goes around, comes around”?
I already know about the folks who don’t subscribe to it and am a witness to their actions throughout the day.
I am however looking to hear from the subscribers.
What made you decide to believe in Karma?
Was there a defining moment?
June 28th, 2010 at 11:26 am
along the lines of karma, one intersects the lines of religion, i do not know if i mentioned this to you before.
there is a higher being/power referred to as god
mankind in their wisdom like to create hierarchical power structures to control the masses
as no person is alike, there are as a result tens of thousands of religions in our world. one to suit each person’s fancy
to study religion, a man made institution, in an attempt to understand god is futile
mankind is flawed, as a result anything we create is imperfect (religion)
god is, and always has been
no need to go further
life is what we make it
what you can envision in your mind, is possible and will become your life
that is what prayer is all about, you, as a person, putting into words what you would like or require.
the act of putting into words your needs, focuses your mind and places you on a path
‘dear god, i place my life in your hands and am a most humble servant, made from clay to serve only you’
this prayer would be a person who has anxiety and requires direction in their life
they ‘give up control’ to god, releasing them from anxiety and confusion.
or
‘dear god, i pray for you to watch over my child, i place their safety in your holy hands’
religions become warped and attract evil ppl
they become more centered on weekly money donations which roll up to the top of the pyramid, or perverted by power hungry child abusers
i choose to be religion free, but spiritual
a friend of mine is jehovah witness, he tells me how all religions will be wiped out in the near future
i said ‘even JW’s’
and he said no
i said , your teachings tell you all religions will be wiped out, it does not state yours will be saved, right ?
he never brought it up again
who can choose the right religion, if there is only one correct one.
June 29th, 2010 at 5:55 am
Thanks for sharing Al.
June 29th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Al, You seem to have chosen a very interesting religion, is it the correct one?
June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
ALit’s is true, all religions will be wiped out and the only belief of God will be justified as we take science and will mixed into scientific terms. But at the same time there will be no evidence( as in scientific physical evidence) of proving God, the formula is that great.
Also why would there be physical evidence for something that’s not physical??
June 30th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Amazing as it seems I think we have answered the big question, God, Yes or No?
We obviously agree that since everyone who believes in any God believes in it differently (most likely completely differently) than everyone else who believes in any God. No one here has convinced anyone else that their belief is correct and that the opposing view held by another is wrong. Without proof, evidence, logic or reason it is impossible to convince someone else that what is only in your mind is correct and what is only in the mind of another individual is incorrect, you need sound evidence and logic to make a convincing case. With out any evidence that qualifies that one God is any more real than any other God it is impossible to prove. As has been said here in several different ways everyone else’s belief is incorrect if yours is correct meaning the odds of your belief being correct is around 1 in 6 billion. So to sum it up the odds of there being any God, a sun God, a rain God, a Muslim God, a Christian God, a Jewish God, etc. etc. is 1 in 6 billion, pretty slim odds but good enough to answer the question, God Yes or No, and the answer is No!
July 6th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
On a lighter note;
Forrest Gump dies and goes to Heaven. He is at the Pearly Gates, met by St. Peter himself. However, the gates are closed, and Forrest approaches the gatekeeper.
St. Peter said, ‘Well, Forrest, it is certainly good to see you. We have heard a lot about you. I must tell you, though, that the place is filling up fast, and we have been administering an entrance examination for everyone. The test is short, but you have to pass it before you can get into Heaven.’
Forrest responds, ‘It sure is good to be here, St. Peter, sir. But nobody ever told me about any entrance exam. I sure hope that the test ain’t too hard. Life was a big enough test as it was.’
St. Peter continued, ‘Yes, I know, Forrest, but the test is only three questions.
First: What two days of the week begin with the letter T?
Second: How many seconds are there in a year?
Third: What is God’s first name?’
Forrest leaves to think the questions over. He returns the next day and sees St. Peter, who waves him up, and says, ‘Now that you have had a chance to think the questions over, tell me your answers.’
Forrest replied, ‘Well, the first one — which two days in the week begins with the letter ‘T’? Shucks, that one is easy. That would be Today and Tomorrow.’
The Saint’s eyes opened wide and he exclaimed, ‘Forrest, that is not what I was thinking, but you do have a point, and I guess I did not specify, so I will give you credit for that answer. How about the next one?’ asked St. Peter. ‘How many seconds in a year?’
‘Now that one is harder,’ replied Forrest, ‘but I thunk and thunk about that, and I guess the only answer can be twelve.’
Astounded, St. Peter said, ‘Twelve?
Twelve? Forrest, how in Heaven’s name could you come up with twelve seconds in a year?’
Forrest replied, ‘Shucks, there’s got to be twelve: January 2nd, February 2nd, March 2nd…. ‘
‘Hold it,’ interrupts St. Peter. ‘I see where you are going with this, and I see your point, though that was not quite what I had in mind….but I will have to give you credit for that one, too. Let us go on with the third and final question. Can you tell me God’s first name’?
‘Sure,’ Forrest replied, ‘it’s Andy.’
‘Andy?’ exclaimed an exasperated and frustrated St Peter. ‘Ok, I can understand how you came up with your answers to my first two questions, but just how in the world did you come up with the name Andy as the first name of God?’
‘Shucks, that was the easiest one of all,’ Forrest replied. ‘I learnt it from the song, ANDY WALKS WITH ME, ANDY TALKS WITH ME, ANDY TELLS ME I AM HIS OWN.’
St. Peter opened the Pearly Gates, and said: ‘Run, Forrest, run!’
July 13th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
haha Prophecy that is great, “I already know about the folks who don’t subscribe to it and am a witness to their actions throughout the day.” lol
July 15th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Immortal, you have YET to make a convincing case to me that God Yes or NO is a NO. You never will either. LOL
July 15th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Also, you couldn’t make a rock, and God made the universe. Do you really think that if He is real, He would use reason and logic as we do? Then He would disprove Himself!
You can’t reason that there isn’t a God anymore than I could reason why my best sleep is right before the alarm clock goes off. I just know that what is IS.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Then Run, ABC, Run!
Fiction, ABC, Fiction!, you do know those were all fictional characters right? Sweet dreams the alarm clock will go off soon!
July 16th, 2010 at 12:26 am
ABC, as you say, the reason and logic of god is so great we probably will never find the evidence which is just as Teacher4U says it is.
Wait doesn’t that mean logically he doesn’t exist, at least we can all agree on that.
July 18th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
I beleive in karma only in recent year because I experienced it many times.
After I got into spiritual development, I noticed that the fruits of karma have come much faster than before. I’ll give a few examples.
For instance, if I swear or badmouth someone or about something or have quarrel, I’ll get canker sore for the next couple days. It’s not coincidence because it happened so many times.
One time I was waiting at a bus station, I gave a few quarters to a beggar. After that, I stepped on the bus. A young fellow asked around if anybody had change but nobody responded.He came up to me and said he only had $10 bill and need change to pay the bus fare and the bus accepts exact change $3. I said I only have change for $5. He said it’s ok. So I gave him $5 and in return I got the $10 bill. It’s not a big deal to me but it’s significant.
One more:
The rogers TV was registered in my brother’s name. After he moved out of the country, I continued using the Rogers TV for few months without paying the bill. Rogers sent the collection bill but I didn’t pay it because I think it’s not under my name. Later I moved, and signed up for Rogers TV again under my name. They didn’t know I was using the service after my brother moved. One day, I was shocked to see a $1000 bill. It turned out my non-English speaking 65 years old father pressed the remote control randomly and accidentally requested video on demand every day for the whole month. There’s no way to forgive these charges because it’s requested from my household. It’s not Rogers’ error.
-My brother in law treats her mother like an animal. Her mother has psychological problems and he could put her into the trunk to send her to hospital. Her mother is always scared of him.
Well guess what, he or his wife has fertility problem So they can’t have kids.
July 18th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Logic goes above scientific evidence, scientific evidence connects logic. As in the similarities of thoughts by animals, we can’t scientifically tell what an animal is thinking. But knowing how humans (non-sentient Humans)think we can tell whats on the mind of an animal.
Scientific evidence->connects->logic
it does not work like this:
Scientific evidence = Logic
July 19th, 2010 at 6:31 am
Kyle,
So Kyle this is exactly what I was talking about.
I personally would rather have the punishment/reward to come around immediately.
How else are we to know what it(punishment/reward)is in response to?
Bus fairs are way to high at $3. They should cost half as much if we are to encourage the public transportation & reduce smog.
As for your brother-in-law, I’m ecstatic to hear that they are not able to reproduce. Why ruin more people’s lives. Then again I’m not a big fan of 80% of the folks having children, including myself.
Thanks for sharing Kyle.
July 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Hi Prophecy,
I know people want result immediately that’s why lots of people don’t have spiritual belief. They disregard them as superstitious. They want result that can be reproduced instantly in the lab.
From my personal experience, For some actions you can feel result almost instantly. For some, you may never see it in the near future. Even for the same act, the result can vary, sometimes they come when they’re least expected.
I live in the Ottawa. The bus fare is high thanks to the union. They had a strike last year and many people had to walk to work. When people take things for granted. They have no gratitude or compassion.
Other than karma, I have one very interesting experience. One night I had a dream where a little bird landed on my finger. That was the whole dream. It was so peaceful. Next day I went to work and opened the shop. There’s a little bird trapped inside the shop. I tried to lead it to the door. It was scared and flew back and forth and finally got out.
Therefore, I believe animals too have some kind of non-physical existence. That’s how it can communicate with me. Dream is not just to let our body to rest but when we dream our minds can enter into another realm.
July 20th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Kyle,
Listen I hear what you’re saying & how Karma works but how else are we to attribute what is happening now to any number of our actions/mistakes that we’ve done during the past 10,20,30,50 years?
Don’t get me started with the unions. I was forced to pay dues to three unions in 16 years at my menial employment as I attended school & they were all bad news.
I always insisted & advocated this giant company to offer stock options instead of unions. That way if the company did well or was a particularly a good year/decade, we would all enjoy the benefits & on the lean years the company would not have to go bankrupt due to what was negotiated with the unions but they were just as stupid as the unions.
I would love very much to believe or subscribe to your bird/animal/human story/connections but the scientist in me is finding it difficult.
I will see if I can find a way to compromise.
July 20th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
How else are we to attribute what is happening now to any number of our actions/mistakes that we’ve done during the past 10,20,30,50 years?
-You can use your mind to observe. You can observe what people are doing or have done and pay attention to what will happen to them or you can simply ignore them.
Yes sometimes it contradicts, like good people’s lives are not always smooth but layman’s term of good or bad is not really good or bad according the law of universe. The karma network is very complicated, it’s not simple as 1+1. Every thought or action has consequence.
What I know about karma:
-It’s true that give will receive. This is one of the common points of all religions and it’s true. A person that gives without expecting reward will receive more than the one craving for reward.
-It will accumulate and bad karma can be removed by confession and not doing it again.
-Karma is like a bank account or credit card account. It can deplete to zero or borrow to negative. We are like a person who sometimes saves and sometimes spends so the balance is always up and down and one day it can reach zero or negative if not careful and it takes varies time length to repay.
I am a computer nerd. I studied electrical engineering. I am in no way unaware of what science is about. I see both sides of the coin.
Religions are about trying to liberate from suffering through mind,words,action. There’s no absolute right or wrong about them but the person’s destination is important.
They can go left, right, up and down but some people are so crazy about their religion and become harmful to themselves and others. Where science is concentrated on studying the law of interaction between things we can see with our own eyes. We uses these laws to create tools and weapons. To what end?
I don’t know.
I won’t go any further.
But one quiz:
Thousands of years ago without microscope, telescope, Who knew about solar systems, stars, planets, the moon? Bacteria in water? extraterrestrial? When Others still think earth is the center of the universe?
Take care.
July 20th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
I was not disputing or disagreeing with your views & in fact I too share the same thoughts.
I only wish that the process worked differently, more transparent.
Thanks for sharing Kyle.
July 24th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Karma, logically to suggest there is a preconceived penalty and reward system set up for humans has no provable merit. I think karma may have value in the interpretation we put on occurrences around us. The analogy of do you look at a glass that is filled midway as half full or half empty is an individual’s perspective based largely on their life experiences. Those with a positive outlook in life may by intention be doing more good than harm to others around them and in so doing also think the best of people and feel that same is coming back to them. Those who have a negative outlook on life chances are complain about the glass being half empty and everything and everyone is out to get them. There is also a degree of the lottery of odds that a number of good and bad things will happen to you in your life. Whether you interpret them as karma, luck or whatever has little influence on their occurrences. How you react to them is your choice in that a positive person sees the best in things wherever possible and the opposite is perceived by a negative person.
Kyle, your quiz would seem to be proof of the time when religion was looked at to be the source of the answer to the unknown thankfully science has taken over that role and thankfully only the religious extremists would even suggest otherwise.
July 25th, 2010 at 5:44 am
Immortal,
The scientist in me totally agrees with you.
That same scientist denied/disregarded the phenomenon for decades and as all self-respecting scientists set out my own survey and experiments.
20 years later, though I do not totally subscribe to it, I no-longer disregarded the phenomenon.
At the very least, I see no reason for anyone not to be on their best behaviour, thinking/believing/fearing that their bad behaviour would have negative consequences.
I also totally believe in any religious organization that is able to keep their parishioners from damaging someone else’s properties, theft, murder, dishonesty………… Sadly though, I am yet to see such a religion so if Karma/fear can be used as a broad-based personal deterrent from the above mentioned then that’s alright by me.
July 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am
I hear you Prophecy. I question it often but when I boil it down I have to say my head tells me guilt eats away at good people when they have done wrong, and I firmly believe doing good things creates the atmosphere to do more good.
Look at the Sicilian Mafia, here are some of the most vengeful, violent people in our western societies with arguably little guilt for their actions. They have some of the finest comforts anyone could ever hope for. Yes, I know material things are no measure of Karma. Yet when they get to the pearly gates with their Catholic and Vatican ties they get a free pass I have heard. So where is the Karma in that? Maybe they are masters at confession allowing them to be absolved of their sins.
The specifics of what is good and bad are acquired values that are a part of our culture and upbringing that is very different in some other cultures. The first nations people of North America I believe, never saw wrong in stealing from others, in fact it was a prized and revered skill before the Europeans arrived.
The concept of Karma works not by some outside force but by the perception of occurrences on those who are good in their own perceived nature and also those who have guilt for their own actions of wrong doing. Keep in mind how guilt has been exploited by most religions, where is the Karma balanced out towards religions because of their exploitations of human nature?
I believe the values of good and bad are to a large degree based on learned instincts resulting out of parent /child development in human evolution.
July 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Another thought, do you think God is subject to the laws of Karma? Shouldn’t he be subject to bad Karma for the huge flood he caused in Noah’s time plus all the human suffering and the human sacrafices he asked for in the first testament? I feel sorry for what he might have coming to him.
July 25th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
All valid points that I incidentally share with you. Of course as always, no-one would think of someone as inteligent with valid points if they did not agree with them.
Here’s another point, ignorance is bliss and unfortunately I’m not ignorant enough.
The karma phenomenon though tips the scale. albeit slightly.
We recently moved to a new city/neighbourhood.
I’m going to attempt to keep this as short of a story as I can.
The neighborhood is named after it’s larger lots & with that comes folks with their acres of useless lawns, lawnmowers, weed whackers, leaf blowers….
We had our entire front lawn cover with triple mix, landscaper’s cloth & ceder mulch.
It caused quite a stir.
I got a visit from a city bylaw officer responding to our long grass. Naturally we thought that it was based on while the property was vacant as the contractors removed our hard-earned money from our account but we were wrong.
He was here because of our backyard’s grass length of 4 inches.
Our backyard is not visible by three of our four neighbours as their lots are 5-6 feet below ours. The fourth however has a slight view(due to the 15 feet hedge, extra large shed and two larger trees immediately after the shed).
Here comes the punchline. The wife of this particular neighbour(who has yet to introduce themselves to us)is Filipino.
So why should that have any bearings on the story you ask?
Well take look at all of the massacres that Christians/the church did to all the nations that they visited and take a look at how the survivors of all of those nations are now more devote to this particular religion then the original followers.
We have spent $100,000 upgrading our property which in-turn raises the property value of the entire neighbourhood.
Love thy neighbour indeed.
Here’s a question for you;
Do you believe that “God” hurt or save all of those lives lost? I referring to all mass deaths over the centuries & to date.
July 25th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Prophecy,
I am not sure I follow your thoughts properly.
Firstly I am proud to admit logic does not allow me to believe in mystical creators. Second even if there was one, all logic says he has no clue we are here as everything in life occurs without any proof of there being such an overseer of us. Mass killings, honor killings priestly abuse of natives along with children and all believers plus human sacrifices, etc. etc. all in the name of the all mighty. So it would seem this “fictional” creator has no time for us or even knows we are here in this far corner of the galaxy. The only thing for sure is those people suffered and I think it makes no difference in the end that they believed in a creator or not. History is written from the standpoint of the winners since they were from our history books most often Christians, Christians believe that God was on their side the side of those who perpetrated all the killings and suffering.
If there was a creator he sure is in for some well deserved bad Karma along with all the perpetrators.
As far as your lawn goes, one thing I think applies is that all people share the view point that their perspective is right and justified and that anyone with a different view point is wrong but “God” (since no one listens to me) needs to point out what the odds of their view being the right one in the world’s population of 6 billion people. I am of the opinion if it doesn’t affect me it is none of my business. How could someone’s lawn length affect my enjoyment of life? Some people need to get a life worth living! I bet the bylaw officer would have loved a good joke about how those people could have measured your lawn past all those obstacles. They must have had access to the Hubble telescope.
July 26th, 2010 at 5:48 am
Such is life my friend.
We are stock here for however long and for whatever reason by whomever.
All I’m trying to do is to make it a bit bearable till that “final day”.
July 26th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
The word Karma is from Hinduism and Buddhism.
In modern Bible, it doesn’t believe in Karma.
“Hebrews 9:27 states, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…” This Bible verse makes clear two important points which, for Christians, negate the possibility of reincarnation and karma. “
July 26th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Karma and Quantum mechanic:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Karma-and-Quantum-Mechanics-%28Part-1%29&id=514099